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| February 05, 2008 |
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John McCain has been slurred in the most scurrilous fashion.
Updated and bumped. A few days ago, an article came to our attention claiming that there was evidence that John McCain collaborated with the communists during his captivity. The article was detailed and specific...and it appears to have been a complete fabrication and libel.
When the article came to our attention, we noted that it was terrible, be it were true or not. A terrible slur if untrue, and obviously nightmarishly terrible if it were true. We would not believe something like this a priori, and any a posteriori belief would be predicated on there being TONS of corroboration. We noted that it is not normally our style to even mention these sorts of things without that level of corroboration, but that in a situation of such importance, we hoped that by making a brief post on it, we could receive information (hopefully) debunking it or (please God no!) supporting it. In fact, we specifically requested that we be contacted with such information.
A reader, friend, and colleague just contacted us with information mercifully debunking the article. It is not a direct, point-for-point refutation, but it is from one of McCain's fellow prisoners, and by God, that is good enough.
Of the top-tier GOP candidates, McCain has not been---as is well-known to many of you---my first choice. But Wheeler's article has no place in civilized discourse. It is a slur on an American hero, and while we may take issue with his positions or even his temperament as regards his candidacy, we cannot allow slurs of American heros to go unchallenged. For reasons of temperament and issues, I urge a vote for Mitt Romney tomorrow. For reasons of patriotism and decency, I urge you all to spread the word that Dr. Wheeler's article is a pack of lies.
In our post on this, we also said that if this article were untrue, its author, Dr. Jack Wheeler, should be shunned from public discourse. Well, it's untrue.
Unless he has a damn good explanation for why he wrote this...or he is completely and abjectly apologetic, he really should never be taken seriously ever again.
Here is the article by JAMES H. WARNER, McCain's fellow P.O.W.:
Recently, I have seen several allegations that condemn Senator John McCain for his behavior as a prisoner of war. I believe that these allegations are false. I am in a better position than the Senator’s accusers to know the truth since I was a prisoner with him, having been captured a little over a month before him. I have contacted hundreds of my comrades on our e-mail list and not one of them can confirm anything that has been alleged against McCain. Let me tell you what they have told me and what I saw myself, and answer some of the charges.
First, I should say that I have great respect for Senator McCain, even though I am at odds with him on many issues and have remained distant from his campaign. I say this up front because I think that a defense mounted by one of his supporters would be less credible.
The first allegation is that the Soviets directed our interrogations and that John McCain gave up valuable intelligence during his interrogations. We doubt this. The Communists were not very skilled at keeping secrets from us and to my knowledge only one man saw someone whom he could identify as a Russian in any camp – a female “journalist’ who claimed to have been wounded as a tank commander in WWII. When the prisoner she was interviewing demanded that she show him her scars she knocked him off of his stool.
Everyone, when interrogated under torture, lied to the interrogators. Surely Soviet intelligence knew, as should any intelligent being, that there are no swimming pools on the decks of American aircraft carriers. Yet this lie was told and believed. One man was beaten for refusing to tell where the Navy keeps pigs and chickens on an aircraft carrier. Surely Soviet military intelligence knew that our ships have refrigeration and do not need to carry livestock. There are countless other such stories which cast doubt on the participation of the Soviets.
In any case, McCain was only a pilot. I cannot think of any tactical information which a Navy pilot could have which would be of any value to an enemy who lacked the capacity to attack an aircraft carrier. Nor can I think of much strategic information which any sensible person would give to a pilot who might be shot down and captured.
There are exceptions to this, of course. In any military or naval hierarchy, it is sometimes necessary, for day to day operations under unusual circumstances, for some men to be trained in various skills which may become useful should those circumstances arise. Even the existence of such skills should remain a secret as closely held as possible.
A few men in the camps had such a secret. Had it been disclosed by anyone, we would have known it instantly. It never was.
Someone has circulated a transcript of a radio broadcast made on June 2, 1969, in which McCain says that he received medical treatment and that we were being well treated. If it is authentic, it reads like a statement that he might have made when first captured. It did not take long for men to learn that they could manipulate language when tortured to make statements. Thus, at the Stockholm “War Crimes Tribunal,” the Vietnamese Communist government offered a statement from an American who confessed that Clark Kent (Superman’s alter ego) and Ben Casey (a character in a television show) ordered him to do terrible things. The Vietnamese only realized that they had been snookered when they saw Soviet journalists laughing at the joke the American had played on them. To John McCain’s critics I promise that I can get you, too, to make a statement on any subject I wish.
We have no evidence that Sen. McCain received special treatment. Since he was as thin as the rest of us, if he did, it was not in the form of decent food. It is alleged that he was taken into Hanoi and put up in a hotel with prostitutes. This is an improvement on the allegation spread during the 2000 campaign that he was given a Vietnamese woman to live with him in his cell, an allegation that led me to ask why, if he was my friend, didn’t he ask if she had a sister? Even when he was in solitary confinement, he was constantly in contact with others. Further, we always knew about movements within the camps because the Communists simply were not competent at preventing us from gaining intelligence. Men who were in the camps with him agree that they are not aware of a single night that he spent out of his cell.
A friend, whom I know to be reliable, was across the hall and one door down, from McCain’s cell when McCain was first captured. He has told me that he saw Communist officers enter the cell where the wounded John McCain lay, incapacitated. He heard them offer McCain early release and heard John answer that he would go home when we all go home. He heard the voices of the officers rising until they were shouting angrily at McCain and threatening him. This was followed by screams of agony from John McCain, and a stream of obscenities from him. He could not see what they did to him and I never heard from John McCain what it was. This does not sound like a collaborator.
In the spring of 1971 I personally witnessed evidence of John McCain’s loyalty. After the attempted rescue of POWs at the camp at Son Tay, in November of 1970, almost all Americans were moved to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi, the infamous “Hanoi Hilton.” The Communists felt so threatened by the raid that, for the first time, they concentrated us in large cells with as many as sixty men in a cell.
One of the first things we did was to institute regular religious services in our cells. On January 1, 1971, we were told that all religious activity was forbidden. This led to a long series of increasingly hostile confrontations which someone has labeled “the Church Riots.” I was in a cell next to John McCain’s cell. In early March, the four senior men in his cell were removed and for some time we lost contact with them. Then the four senior men in my cell were removed, and we lost contact with them, also. The confrontations rapidly escalated.
My recollection is that John McCain was now the senior man in his cell. In any case, I know that he was deeply involved with what followed. The senior men in our two cells kept us under tight control, but carefully staged demonstrations of our anger over the religious ban and the removal of our cell mates. On March 19, St. Joseph’s Day, I remember the men in McCain’s room singing, at the top of their lungs, first “the Battle Hymn of the Republic,” then “Onward Christian Soldiers.”
We knew that this could not go on. The night before, when men from our cell went out to wash dishes, the largest men in the cell, me included, were sent out and told the stand a few inches in front of each guard, cross our arms, and stare angrily into their eyes. The guards were nervous. After ten minutes the one I was staring at began crying and ran away. Shortly thereafter a platoon of armed guards returned with him. A Vietnamese officer nervously ordered us to return to our cell. We stood fast. Finally, after we had repeatedly disobeyed the orders of the Vietnamese officer, the senior man in our cell stepped out and quietly told us to go inside.
The Communists were thoroughly frightened. Given the history of Communism, we had no illusions as to what might come from this. They had killed 100 million people to maintain their control. What would a few American pilots mean to people like that? For much of our incarceration they had threatened to execute some of us.
John McCain was involved in planning and carrying out these confrontations in order to gain the right to worship in our cells. He knew what we were risking. At sundown, on March 19, they came, first to McCain’s cell, then to ours. A total of thirty six of us were taken, at gunpoint, out of the cells. Outside our hands were tied, then our elbows tied behind our back, and we were blindfolded. We did not know what was about to happen but I am certain that none of us thought we were being taken to a hotel to have a party with Vietnamese girls. To our relief, we were taken to a camp where we were put in solitary confinement for the next seven months.
I may not agree with John McCain on some policies. However, I will go to my grave remembering the American officer who helped organize men to defy an enemy who wish to deprive us of religious observance. Even today I cannot hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic without tears as I am still moved by the courage of the singers and the leadership of John McCain.
James H. Warner is a retired attorney. He served as a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan from 1985 until 1989.
More information on Warner here. Update: Welcome readers of...
The Anchoress The Jawa Report My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Captain's Quarters ...and others.
And thanks to Beth for spreading the word on numerous comment threads!
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Thank you for sharing this. From the Democrats we have two candidates who are openly embracing socialist policy mixed in with more mainstream rhetoric. On the Republican side, we have a former Governor who was overall a centrist and sometimes left of center for political necessity in Massachusetts. Now he is a conservative...for about 18 months and counting. We have anothe former Governor who has a quick wit and seems like a nice fellow, but lacks the cache to do anything with his agenda - whether you agree with it or not. And then you have a Senator and war hero and someone who has always shown the character described in the article above. He is moderately conservative and sometimes at odds with his party. I don't always agree with him, but he attracts and listens to others who are bringing about the desired changes and nuances. He is the only one standing between us and a January day in 2009 when our first socialist leader will be sworn in. Consider that when you vote tomorrow.
Posted by Tom Rafferty on 2008-02-04 13:23:03 |
these types of stories inspire me, and bring me to tears at the same time.
I have met Leo Thorsness and Bud Day, and they speak highly of their compatriots. They along with McCain are inspiring individuals.
It makes me angry to think that people will take shots and try to demean the heroes that served their country, and were prepared to give their life for it.
I understand there is a group, Vietnam Veterans Against McCain. I sympathize with them that they don't agree with the Senators policies. But do not take shots at his service to his country while in a prison camp.
If there are people out there that want to correct the record, then let it be the people that served under the same conditions as Senator McCain.
Kerry bragged about his record as a veteran, but as soon as he could, he campaigned against the war. The people that did the same job as him at the same time corrected his misstatements. I admire Sen. Kerry for serving. I can even understand his opposition to all war. But I wish he would have been on the level with what exactly he did-just like Mr. McCain has done all these years.
Posted by Jeff on 2008-02-04 18:24:02 |
Who are you to say anyone does not have the right to the 1st ammendment & say whatever they want?
Have you ever put your life on the line for America? I have.
You sound like an anti free speach LIBERAL.
McCain IS A RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO. Get it through your head. He is no conservative & he can't live on his POW forever. He is the only POW to make a career out of his stay out of being a POW. To a Nam vet that is DISGUSTING & SHAMEFUL.
McCain is a TRAITOR.
Ever since he has been a politician he has done all he can do to destroy America. I question his POW stay & military service too. I can do that, you can't fault me. You are no vet. I am. I put my life on the line for America. You did NOT.
McCain is guilty of SLURRING America. He is a left wing RINO.
I did not read your whole over ampped defense of the defenseless, McCain.
I have the right to say anything I want to about McCain & you can't say I don't have the right to say it. You are NO vet I am a Nam vet.
The only diff between mccain & hussein osama-hitlery is mccain supports the war but sides with liberals when it comes to interrogation techniques & everything else.
Posted by CADMann on 2008-02-04 21:19:42 |
I get sick & tired of NON MILITARY people that have NOT SEEN COMBAT & do not have a clue to what goes in in interroations.
Have any of you anti interrogation LIBERALS seen a buddy die in combat? I say NONE of you have. I have.
This LEFT WING RINO mccain is a pathetic pile of crap, a shame to his nation.
The only pack of lies is your diatribe of biased & uninformed propaganda about mccain's stay as a POW. How do you know what he did? Were you there with him? You promccain LIBERAL diatribe is so prejudiced it is not funny.
A top tier Repulican? Mccain is only 1 step away from being a traitorKKKrat.
Posted by Namvet527 on 2008-02-04 21:34:42 |
I am not happy with John McCain, who just does not get it on the immigration issue. Then again, neither do the Bushyrovies. That said, these claims strike me as nothing but vicious disinformation and smears.
I won't vote for John McCain this Super Tuesday, but I won't believe this feces being hurled at him, either.
Posted by Nick Byram on 2008-02-04 21:53:47 |
Folks, we're ALL Americans.
some of us have a different vision of what we believe America to be. Unfortunately, the ability to vote is not tied to military/civil service. the 1st amendment allows all persons the right to speak their mind. Common sense on the other hand dictates that many of them should NOT speak so as to reveal just how stupid they really are. Thankfully, we're all allowed a voice.
Should a non veteran question a soldier? yes. every time. Should we allow people to slander the deeds of a courageous veteran? no. Its allowed under the 1st amendment..but get this...it just ain't smart...I don't care if you're a vet or a veterinarian..unless you served with the man/woman..you look like an idiot calling his service into question.
as for his political views? thats fair game! go get em tiger!
to be sure, I believe that McCain shouldn't use his military service as a crutch for public office. I won't vote for him either...but opening your trap and bitching about someones' service record that was pretty damned heroic is kind of like sticking a sign on your forehead that says "I'm a namby pampy..look at ME!! I'm more heroic than he is."..
its lame and childish.
Posted by Elliott on 2008-02-05 01:27:26 |
The comments about John McCain's conduct as a prisoner of war are meaningless. It is just media hype to stir the public. It would be interesting to find the source of the comments and what motivated them to write about John McCain's experience. Then on TV, put John McCain and the accuser across the table and discuss the allegations. Never happen.
Posted by Mike Bawden on 2008-02-05 07:38:08 |
Tom: Thank you, as always, for your thoughtful support of McCain. We may disagree on our first choice, but we share the same ultimate goal: Victory for the GOP and the nation.
CADmann: I'm sorry, do I know you? You seem to know an awful lot about me.
Namvet527: Same question.
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2008-02-05 07:45:11 |
" he really should never be taken seriously ever again."
When was he ever really taken seriously? When he was a minor functionary in the Reagan administration?
There are so many inconsistencies in Wheeler's "story" and the fact that the story just sorta came out five days before Super Tuesday should have tipped everyone off about this.
I can't say I LIKE John McCain for President;(he is insufficiently conservative for me) but I dislike liars even more.
Posted by realwest on 2008-02-05 09:29:21 |
FYI Cadmann & Namvet are the same guy. Not trying to be sneaky. Not too many outspoken real conservatives that defended his country & has not slandered America & did the damage to America mccain has. But I still have a lot HYPOCRITES that have no problem slandering me & defaming me.
We do not know if mccain was a hero or punk as a POW.
MCCAIN IS THE ONLY POW TO MAKE A CAREER OUT OF HIS STAY & then try in every way to DESTROY America.
To me mccain's political treason has cancelled any good he might have done as a POW or military.
I more than most all of you have the right to say anything I want about mccain. I served my country in combat in Nam.
As far as "we ALL are Americans" is not true. A lot of us might have been BORN in America but that does NOT make you an American.
I don't consider LIBPUKES Americans.
mccain is 1 step above a TraitorKKKrat.
Posted by Namvet527 on 2008-02-05 21:54:27 |
What most Vietnam vets hold against McCain is the way he stabbed the POW/MIA in the back when he collaborated with John Kerry to put an end to the search for living POWs. And, as is McCain's way, he was rude and insensitive toward folks that genuinely believed that there were POWs left in Vietnam.
A lot of youngsters don't know any of this back story, but those of us who served during that damn war are well aware of what the two John's did to our buddies that we left behind.
The collaboration stuff is over the top, no doubt, as you can easily see if you go to the VVAM website and read the transcripts of his interviews, but many Vietnam vets have a genuine beef with McCain and would never vote for him any more than they would for John Kerry.
I don't expect you to understand that or agree with it, but that's the reality, and it will probably keep McCain from being elected, which is what "we" did to Kerry in 2004.
You can call it swiftboating or scurrilous or whatever other perjorative you want, but it's not going to stop guys who watched their buddies bleed out from speaking their mind about something they feel very strongly about.
Me? Wouldn't vote for McCain if Hillary promised to institute sharia law if elected. I know right where Namvet527 is coming from.
Posted by Antimedia on 2008-02-08 22:50:19 |
ANTIMEDIA is right about both John's and like him I wouldn't vote for McCain if he were the only candidate. Twelve years of sleazy republicans is quite enough!
Posted by BL on 2008-07-01 17:58:09 |
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