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Modcon exclusive: Ron Paul to make third party run on Constitution Party ticket (Updated and Bumped!)
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BTTT and updated: (Update 5 includes a question.) ModernConservative.com has received a tip from a reliable source that may have election-shattering implications.
According to our source, an activist here in Arizona has been approached by the Ron Paul campaign; the campaign has requested that he run the Arizona effort to get Ron Paul on the general election ballot as a candidate of the Constitution Party.
Our source has requested anonymity, and we have agreed. We can, however, vouch for his/her reliability. Our source also provided us with details that added credibility to the account. (Unfortunately, disclosure of those details would put at risk our promise of anonymity. We apologize for the unnamed sourcing and lack of further details, but those were the requirements that accompanied this revelation.) We will keep you apprised of any new developments.
There has been a lot of analysis on the impact that Ron Paul has already had, and on the impact that he might have moving forward. There will be a lot more analysis...and if he does, as it appears, run in the general election, there will obviously be voluminous amounts of focus and attention. One can only hope that shining a bright light on Ron Paul will have the effect of showing the nation who he is and what he supports, and thus diminishing his impact.
Unfortunately, he is currently garnering a fair amount of underground support. Healthy political activity is welcome in a representative democracy, but Ron Paul's candidacy is, in our view, not good for the Republic.
He has received support from an ugly confluence of 9/11 truthers, anti-war activists, and very likely George Soros and MoveOn.org.
He has received money and support from neo-Nazis, and he has refused to return the money.
He blames the United States for 9/11.
And just this past week on Meet the Press, he said that Lincoln was wrong to have fought the Civil War (commented on at FreeRepublic and polled by AOL).
This man, in our view, does not inject much needed debate into American politics, he injects poison. His likely presence in the general election will magnify the impact of that poison, which makes the revelation we report to you today all the more dire. Update 1:
The FR thread on this has already exploded with comments both positive and (a few) negative, as one might expect. One point that was made was that this was (or should have been) obvious to observers of politics. It might have been obvious that it was a possibility. Certainly the Constitution Party seems to like Paul...a lot. But we have received actual information on this possibility, beyond mere speculation and assumptions based on analysis and conclusions about likelihoods. Does our information guarantee a Paul run in the general election? No. But it is the first information of which we are aware that suggests both the possibility and the identity of the party with which he would align himself. Update 2:
It behooves me to clarify this a little bit. We do not have proof of a third-party candidacy; we have the information stated at the beginning of this article, which is strongly suggestive of a third-party run, specifically with the Constitution Party. I would have thought that this would have been obvious from the nature of the sourcing, which we were completely candid about, i.e., that it was a single source, etc. In other words, we are not trying to hide the fact that this is not confirmed by multiple sources. I also did use the phrase "likely presence" and said that we are aware that this information does not "guarantee a Paul run in the general election." Granted, the headline has a bit of a sensationalist tinge to it. Mea culpa. Now take the information for what it is, and please drop the "this isn't fully sourced" meme, because that should be obvious. Update 3:
The Constitution Party is courting Ron Paul. This makes the rumor seem more, rather than less, likely. Also, in contradiction to the promise I heard him make with my own ears on the Michael Medved show, in which he said he would not run third-party, he is now refusing to rule out the possibility. Update 4:
Ron Paul blames the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on the “interventionist” policy of the United States, and says Al Qaeda is justified in being “annoyed” at us. Delightful. (HT: FreeRepublic) Update 5:
I am trying to figure out why Ron Paul supporters tend, in aggregate, to be much more hate-filled and angry than others. Look at threads over at FreeRepublic. Look at the comment thread here—heck, there's even a barely disguised death threat in there. Giuliani has been roundly savaged in some quarters, as has Romney, McCain, and Huckabee. Why aren't their supporters frothing over with venom and threats? If anyone has an answer, I'd love to know.
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Wow. "shine a light on Ron Paul" and "diminish his impact". I really wish someone would shine a bright light on him, because then people will recognize a real candidate.
Of course being a "modern conservative" I am sure you support Giuliani the crossdressing repeat divorcee, or Romney the conservative that always gives in to liberals, McCain who has become a complete Bush clone, or Huckabee the super christian that enjoys plugging cold defenseless half frozen foul with lead for laughs while saying "If you vote for me, I won't kill you, if you don't, well...."
Let guess.. "modern conseravtives" don't care about solid money, reducing spending, limiting government, and building a strong defense, do they?
And you wonder why over 60% of the republican base has fled to the independents and democrats!? Seriously? You think the republican winning strategy is to promote a war over 70% of Americans are against and to back this over-bloated government we have?
Can you point to one provable thing Ron Paul has been wrong on? He was right on Afghanistan. Right on Iraq. Right on Iran. Right on economic woes (spanning back to the 70s he predicted this!). Please, point to where he is anything but conservative. I notice you just point to some of the fringe supporters he has, using the old "guilt by association" because you guys cannot find on place he has been wrong. Keep grasping at straws.
Posted by Michael Davis on 2007-12-27 07:35:26 |
Do consider the very real possibility that this is a typical "dirty trick"-rumor, styled to knock a few points off Paul's score in Iowa and NH...
All's fair in love and politics.
Posted by capitalchick on 2007-12-27 07:47:02 |
To Michael Davis:
There are aspects of each of our front-runners that I do not like. I would also like to see the country move in a more conservative direction on a number of issues. But politics is the art of the possible, and the ship of state does not turn on a dime. I would take any of our front-runners over any of the front-runners of the Democrats, and at the moment, that is the choice we face, not some fairytale imagination of a fevered brain in which our choice is between a well-spoken, handsome, rock-ribbed conservative and a neo-Marxist troll who eats babies. Our choice is, in reality, between some pretty far-left Democrats who have a real chance of winning and some imperfect Republicans who constitute our only chance of stopping said Democrats. A Ron Paul general election candidacy would not get Ron Paul elected, but it might get a Democrat elected.
As far as Ron Paul's positions... the positions he holds that are good, solid, small-government conservative are pretty well overshadowed and subsumed by his the rest of his positions which, under normal circumstances, would be so contemptible and fringe as to be beneath notice. Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances. Moreover, the good conservative positions he holds will be tainted in the eyes of the American people by his association with them, making our task of spreading conservative ideology more difficult.
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2007-12-27 08:42:01 |
My source is entirely reliable. What he/she reported to me is what he/she learned. Whether there is, further up the information chain, an intentionally planted rumor, is a possibility, of course.
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2007-12-27 08:52:43 |
Funny that views that were once perfectly acceptable among conservatives are now declared, by conservatives who know nothing about conservatism or their own history, to be "fringe." Hilarious.
You think "conservatives" supported going off the gold standard? And yes, National Review, when it wasn't a propaganda rag, even debated Lincoln! Heavens, no! Liberals have told us we can't debate that, so we'd better not! How pathetic.
And no, Paul does not "blame America" for 9/11 -- and unless you have an I.Q. of 50, you know that.
Posted by Tom Woods on 2007-12-27 10:14:07 |
You guys misspelled "He blames the United States for 9/11." It should be "He recognizes that giving small arms, tanks, jets, missiles, and nuclear know-how and constantly doing Israel's bidding like a slack-jawed dummy isn't winning us any friends in the Middle East, which Osama Bin Laden has stated repeatedly in speeches and which Sheik Khalid Mohammed said in the transcripts of his military commission hearing."
You did stay informed by reading OBL's speeches, right? And you read Mohammed's trial transcript too, didn't you?
Oh. You didn't. Perhap's you're with the "They hate our freedom and that's why they attacked Canada, Norway, and Switzerland too" crowd.
Posted by Roger Tesseract on 2007-12-27 10:19:33 |
More Neo-Con romormongering in an attempt to undercut Con Paul's momentum.
Just throwing stuff out there to what sticks?
It's not working!
Posted by Ken on 2007-12-27 10:21:33 |
Christopher Cook said:
Whether there is, further up the information chain, an intentionally planted rumor, is a possibility, of course.
Then, why report it Chris if it could just be a rumor????
This journalism is absolutely amateur!
Heck even at ESPN they aren't allowed to report rumors unless they have more than 1 source!
Even then these are are just put out there in attempt to undercut Conservative support for Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is the only Traditional Conservative in the race and is the successor to Taft Goldwater and Reagan.
Posted by Ken on 2007-12-27 10:26:46 |
So let me get this straight, some random guy in Arizona starts talking to you who is just some "activist" and is nowhere near within the inner circle of Ron Paul and now you just run with this adn say that Ron Paul will run CP????
Is this credible at all??
Now the mongoloids at freerepublic(you know that site whose owner Jim Robinson can not even make a distinction between the Conservative opposition to Wilsonian interventionism and nutty Code Pinkos) are foamin at the mouth over nothing but hearsay!
You Neo-Cons are desperate and are trying to back stab Traditional Conservatives just like you tried backstabbing Robert Taft on more thna 1 occasion and how you tried in 1980 with Reagan.
This is pathetic and onyl brings more votes Ron Paul. No clear minded Conservative falls for this rumormongering.
Posted by Ken on 2007-12-27 10:39:08 |
Christopher Cook has some new exclusive lies about Ron Paul. I wrote about Cook, here.
Cook's distillations of unadultered bullshit might have have been recorded as unequaled in the world of Media hackery. Unfortunately, no one can remember his intentional preverications and outright falsehoods, five minutes after they are typed.
Posted by Savrola on 2007-12-27 11:45:11 |
Savrola,
You have written about another Christopher Cook on your blog. That is NOT the same Christopher Cook of ModernConservative...just an FYI. Oh, and geez, why are you so angry? I thought it was ok to talk about politics on a political website.
Posted by Greg on 2007-12-27 13:00:37 |
Ohhhhh! You Neo-Cons you! How dare you mention the name of the almighty Ron Paul!! HOW DARE YOU!!
Posted by Johnston on 2007-12-27 13:03:23 |
To some of the PaulBots...
If you want a rock-ribbed conservative, then how about Fred Thompson? He's pretty much perfect-pitch for the center of the conservative movement. Is he not conservative enough for you? If so, I would like to suggest that you are not, in fact, a Republican. The Republican Party would do well to be as conservative as someone like Fred Thompson (with the exception of a couple of his positions, like campaign finance reform). If the GOP were to be about as conservative as Thompson, I would be even more happy to be a Republican than I am now. If conservatism is defined by the views of Ron Paul, then count me the frak out.
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2007-12-27 13:09:48 |
I suggest Ken Cook clearly look into the reasons Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak and other notable Traditional Conservatives give for opposing going to war in Iraq rather than try to lump Ron Paul and them in the Hate America First Code Pinko Soros Movement.
Unfortunately the "Modern Conservatives" have been so coopted by Neo-Conservatism and our current liberal in conservative clothing Open Borders Amnesty President that they don't realize that the GOP establishment has been rejected and will go down in defeat unless they return to their principles.
Posted by Ken on 2007-12-27 13:26:44 |
You show your true colors here:
"He blames the United States for 9/11."
You know very well he doesn't blame 9/11 on the United States, but he doesn't hide behind empty platitudes. I would love to know what you believe is the cause of 9/11. Do you really think they hate us because we have shopping malls and hollywood movies? Or possibly it could be because of our foreign policy?? maybe?
We have two political parties, the liberal Democrats and the liberal Republicans. I wonder which one the Modern Conservative supports.
Posted by Jerald W. on 2007-12-27 14:03:54 |
I have insider information from a reliable source that Christopher Cook loves to rape puppies.
ITS ON TEH INTERWEBS IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!
Posted by Ed on 2007-12-27 14:09:35 |
This conservative of over 43 years found another "conservative" website to never go to.
Posted by Mark on 2007-12-27 14:16:21 |
Lets see here...
He has received support from an ugly confluence of 9/11 truthers, anti-war activists, and very likely George Soros and MoveOn.org.
He has received money and support from neo-Nazis, and he has refused to return the money.
He blames the United States for 9/11.
And just this past week on Meet the Press, he said that Lincoln was wrong to have fought the Civil War (commented on at FreeRepublic and polled by AOL).
This man, in our view, does not inject much needed debate into American politics, he injects poison.
1. This is a fallacy. You are attacking his fringe supporters rather than the positions he represents. He does NOT support 9/11 truth or Nazis. Also, why give money back to a known racist?
2. Google whatever you wish. He has said repeatedly that it has been United States foreign policy that did indeed cause 9/11. It doesnt justify what terrorists did, but it explains it. This position is supported by the 9/11 Commission Report and the CIA.
Crazy fringe ideas right?
3. Yes he is debating the Civil War. If one examines history you see that the Civil War was more about state's rights rather than slavery. Being a REPUBLICan, I would think that you would understand why its a topic of debate.
4. No needed debate? Conservatives who dont like spending billions of dollars overseas didnt need a voice?
Conservatives who hate seeing our currency destroyed? Ron Paul brought monetary policy back into the spotlight. No other candidate so much as touched on it before him.
Tell me, how do you define conservative? Spending billions on wars? Centralizing more power in Washington? This is absolute madness.
Posted by Brad Groesch on 2007-12-27 14:35:57 |
mr. cook. do you really think you're helping your case when you link to that youtube of ron paul talking about blowback? Al Queda has declared, openly, why they attacked america. 1) american troops in saudi arabia and our support of the sauds, and 2) our support for israel. it has SHIT to do with freedom of religion. ron paul, whatever else you want to say, is correct about this. you can argue that its still right to support the sauds and israel, and that its wrong (obviously) to do massive terrist attacks, but you can't argue that our policy didn't lead to the attacks.
Posted by submittard on 2007-12-27 14:38:23 |
what idiots! --
If Hitler loved Corn Flakes - by your logic, that makes Kelloggs a nazi front!!
idiots...
it makes me want to write a check to Dr. Paul .....
and then take a shower... you are soooo sleazy
Posted by Karen Ladik on 2007-12-27 14:48:20 |
George Washington came to the conclusion that if the country was ever to be taken back, some people would have to die. Go ahead, do your dirty sham-GOP tricks against ron Paul. But watch out for the backlash, and you deserve it!
Posted by seventy-year-old-marine on 2007-12-27 15:36:54 |
Kudos for using the word "exclusive" instead of "some made-up bullshit" Very creative!
Posted by shannon on 2007-12-27 15:36:54 |
Wow, are all Ron Paul supporters this vindictive, nasty, mud-slinging, personalizing anything they disagree with, kind of people or what??!! I've never seen so much personalizing threatening behavior on a post that someone disagrees with. Interesting, that it is just the Ron Paul supporters that are doing this.
Posted by Gina K. on 2007-12-27 15:53:04 |
You are so wrong about Ron Paul. He is neither as bad as you are making out, nor as all wonderful as some of his supporters would have us believe. However, he is basically a good, honest guy with some valid points to make and a few weaknesses. If you subject any candidate to extreme analysis you will find shortcomings.
Posted by Dan DAvis on 2007-12-27 16:58:10 |
Amazing what you came up with, and even more amazing that you have to defend your own post. Good job Mr. Cook. I commend your extraordinary bravery in facing the Ron Paul supporters in this matter.
That being said, your writings are typical of a slandering neo-conservative viewpoint onto all of Ron Paul's positions. Ron Paul did not blame America for 9/11, he blamed the American Government and our foreign policy. That's a huge difference. The American people did not cause 9/11.
And that video you "googled" of Rudy Giuliani criticizing Ron Paul for having made the statement that "We invited September 11th." Guess what Giuliani, you make exactly that point. You say that the Islams attacked us because we are rich and we are free. So in essence, you are saying that we, the Americans, with our beautiful cars and hollywood movies, invited the Islamic terrorists to come and destroy our free society.
Why does the American public accept these narrow perspectives as truth? Why do we accept George Bush and Rudy Giuliani when they tell us that all these Muslims want is to kill us because we are rich and free? And why do we, for some reason, cheer on Rudy Giuliani when he attacks Ron Paul who blames the GOVERNMENT for the 9/11 attack, while we don't give a shit when Giuliani himself says that we, the american PEOPLE, invited the attack? Isn't Giuliani blaming US for 9/11?!!
Posted by Lionel on 2007-12-27 18:56:56 |
I am a conservative. I will swear to uphold the United States constitution. Will you? Your facts are wrong about Ron Paul. I will be voting for Ron Paul for President of the United States because he is the only candidate that I trust at the moment.
Posted by Michael Dalton on 2007-12-27 20:07:02 |
How dare you call yourself a conservative. You are attempting to smear the one true conservative in the race. A very lame attempt at that. Take a look at the spam proof AOL straw poll and you will realize that you will soon be calling him President Ron Paul!
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/21/straw-poll-dec-21-jan-4/
Posted by John SIebert on 2007-12-27 21:25:01 |
Still voting for Ron Paul.
The articles, they do NOTHING!
Posted by Jaeret on 2007-12-28 07:25:29 |
Jaeret:
Great Simpsons reference! Thanks for not cussing or issuing a thinly veiled death threat!
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2007-12-28 07:42:01 |
So you don't believe Dr. Paul about Lincoln? Nelson Winbush might have a thing or two to tell you.
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/07/State/In_defense_of_his_Con.shtml
It's hard to argue with a black man whose grand-father was a foot soldier for the Confederacy.
Don't believe what hacks like Chris Cook have to say about Ron Paul, find out for yourself. Google Ron Paul or YouTube Ron Paul. The truth will come out!!!
Posted by Jason Diviki on 2007-12-28 11:10:48 |
Chris, I see you have attracted an infestation of Paulisites.
Let me stir the pot.
Dr. Paul's foreign-policy positions started their slide towards obsolescence the day the first Boeing 707 broke contact with the ground .... sliding right alongside the first container ship, down the ways.
The economic interconnections that have improved the quality of life worldwide -- and as a result, furthered the cause of world peace -- preclude a return to the de facto isolationism Ron Paul promotes.
So do the technologies and prosperity now available to friend and foe alike, that allow them to sidestep the time and discipline it used to take to raise armies and threaten free people. Wake up, Paulisites ... the oceans no longer protect us; waiting for an enemy to strike here before taking them on is FOOLISH in this day and age.
The basic premises of neoconservatism were proven decades before our present conflict in Iraq ...
... in the post-WWII successes of Western Europe and the Pacific Rim, wherever people adopted rights-respecting governance ...
... in the dysfunction and/or collapse of nations that have not adopted rights-respecting governance ...
... and in the peace between the nations in the first group, and the conflict between nations in the second group and everyone else.
It is the Leftist/"realist" approach that has been weighed and found wanting by history ... for all it did was maintain a lethal status quo at best.
The Big Lie is not the word of the neocons ... the Big Lie is "War is Never the Answer".
As I always say, the real peace song is neither Kumbiyah, nor The Sound of (paleocon) Silence ...
... it is the Yippie-Ky-Ay-A of cowboy diplomacy.
And history proves it.
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There has been some debate here about the stated intentions of bin Laden ... that if we were to just leave Israel and the Mideast to his tender mercies, things would turn out ok.
I have a Google search for those of you who believe this:
Lebensraum
Then, tell me how many totalitarians (not authoritarians who operate in the open, albeit harshly, but totalitarians on the order of AQ and Saddam), once they decided to expand their reach, ever stopped doing so ON THEIR OWN, in the absence of either lack of resources or CREDIBLE confrontation by opponents.
At your core, you Paulisites lack confidence in the very principles stated in the Declaration of Independence to be "self-evident" ... for you don't seem to believe that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is the purview of ALL MEN ...
... and you lack the wisdom to see how imposing respect for those principles upon those regimes who refuse to respect them, IS PROMOTING PEACE FOR ALL, AND MAKES AMERICA MORE SECURE!
In this regard, the Iraqi people are way wiser than you, for they realize ...
... this war is not for oil.
... this war is not for corporate "empire".
... this war is for the defeat of totalitarian rule by the fanatics of radical Islam, and the "encouragement" of others of like mind regarding life and liberty to change their ways.
This realization is why many Iraqis now refer to us as the "al-Ameriki" tribe, instead of "infidel Crusader".
Posted by Rich Casebolt on 2007-12-30 09:58:52 |
Rich Casebolt: Your comment is inspiring, spot-on, and worthy of promotion!
Posted by Christopher Cook on 2008-01-09 10:17:25 |
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